Pastors
I grew up in the organized church, and I know the pastor was the focal point of every church I attended. In the Methodist church, if the pastor was not liked, he usually got voted out and moved to a new location by the board and district office.
Later, as I became dissatisfied I would leave one church and go to another. That became pretty common, people going from church to church looking for the right pastor. We want someone we can relate to, someone who will give us food for thought and keep us interested during the weekly sermon. As soon as one of those needs are not met, or the pastor steps on our toes, we pack up and move on.
More recently I began to wonder why the pastor was the main go-to person in the church. Why did I and many others think the clergy seemingly had all the answers and was ordained to guide us lower level laity in spiritual matters? And why did it seem a lot of pastors would teach saved by grace, but live by law?
Do some pastors take advantage and teach law on purpose. Yes, I think some do. Some like the power and prestige of their job and they want people looking to them for guidance.
Do some pastors take advantage of teaching law for monetary purposes? Yes, I think some do. What better way to get the money rolling in for mortgages, salaries, utilities and monthly budgets than by telling their members tithing is a requirement?
Do all pastors do things like that, wanting power and control and financial gain? Of course not. I think most are doing their job out of love for God and for their congregation. After all, this is the only system all of us know. This is the system that has been in place for hundreds of years. Our church system with its pastor, board of elders and worship team is what most of us think is the way it should be done. Yet I have come to think that pastors are put on a higher level spiritually, and we all look up to them as our spiritual leader and guide. I think this way of thinking is wrong.
I think the problem is most of us never question what we are taught. Most of us do not put a lot of effort into learning and hearing from God for ourselves. We think that is the pastor’s job and he will tell us what the truth is. The problem with that is they were taught by a previous pastor, who was taught by a previous pastor and on and on. Most pastors were taught from a bible college backed by a particular denomination and its doctrines. It becomes an endless cycle. It becomes so easy to look to others for information rather than make the effort to learn for ourselves.
Most of us do not want to question things and learn only by the Holy Spirit. Even though we are told we do not need anyone else to teach us, most of us are more than ready to run to the pastor or mega-church to find out what God is saying.
We seem to forget that Christ is the head of the Church, and we are to look to him and not any other human. Each of us are equally important and functioning parts of the body. No one is above or below anyone else. Even those we consider leaders are not better than anyone else. Leaders should lead lovingly by experience, out of love for others and to encourage their fellow brothers and sisters along the way.
Church
Most churches are in existence as a place for believers to meet and worship God. Yet the modern day church seems to teach both grace and law. Once you are saved by grace, you need to do, do, do. Try to live up to the law, be active and busy trying to pay God back for saving you by grace. They say God will help you in the times you fall and cannot measure up. To me, this is still teaching that it is partly by our effort that we earn our salvation.
We seem to forget that the law was given as a tutor to lead us to Christ. Once Jesus came into our world, things changed. Once Jesus died, the old covenant was fulfilled and a new covenant went into effect, an agreement of grace. Remember, the New Covenant did not start in Matthew 1. The old covenant was still in effect throughout the ministry of Jesus. He was born under the law and taught law, mainly to show us that we were not able to live up to God’s requirement of perfection.
I truly believe that most organized churches and pastors are doing what they feel is right, and doing so out of love. The problem for a lot of us who are the ‘dones’ (those who no longer attend church or look to organized religion), is that we feel the traditional organized way church is set up is not what God intended, and we feel a separation from the people still in institutional church. It becomes an ‘us versus them’ way of thinking, which ought not to be. We are brothers and sisters in Christ no matter what we do or do not do on Saturday or Sunday.
I feel that the Church that Jesus is building is not a building or an organization. Jesus is building an organism made up of living stones, a community of believers saved by grace. The Church is not a place we go, it is each of us living in the power of the Holy Spirit each and every day.
Loving Others
No matter what denomination, doctrine, or way of living we choose, it should not be something that makes us enemies with others. All people, no matter what their beliefs and way of life, should be accepted and loved. That is the Jesus way, loving others.
The thing is, whether you are an active member of a particular church, or if you are done with religion and the institutional church, we should be able to accept one another and get along in love.
We should remember, all people were created in the image of God. Sin separated us from our Father, but Jesus came and fulfilled the law. Our sinful nature was crucified with Christ on the cross. In Christ, we are now dead to sin, and filled with His Spirit. Because of Christ, we are now considered holy and righteous in Him.
Nothing we do or do not do makes us any more acceptable to God. Because of this, we should no longer look at others in this ‘us versus them’ mentality. No one is better or worse, more loved or less loved, or more important than anyone else. Christ is the head of the Church and each of us are equally functioning parts of his body. We do not look to a pastor, pope, or elder for guidance, but listen for the guidance of the Spirit of Christ who is within us.
Obviously, not everyone believes this. That does not make it untrue just because some do not believe, yet we realize it is a belief. We cannot prove anything to anyone. We cannot prove God exists, just as an atheist cannot prove God does not exist. To a christian, just because we cannot prove God exists we still believe because of faith. To an atheist, it is not lack of faith, it is lack of proof. There is no way to prove God is there, so they do not accept that he is.
I believe it is the Holy Spirit who convicts and draws people to God. I do not believe it is our responsibility to try and change the minds and views of others. It is not our responsibility to convert others and convince them God is real. God can take care of himself. What we can do is exactly what we read in the bible, love God and love others. That is it.
We need to remember that there are those who do not see things our way and that is OK. We are not responsible to save the world or make them see things our way. Whether male or female, black or white, gay, straight, LGBT or asexual, if an atheist, christian, jew, muslim or whatever, we are all people who deserve to be loved and accepted.
Is it wrong to talk to people and tell them what we believe and why we have faith in God? No, it is not….as long as they want to know. Our witness and our way of preaching the gospel should be our lifestyle, not just our words. If people see something in us and they ask why we do something or why we believe a certain way, then yes, in love, tell them. But we are not to go out and force our views on others trying to convert them to our way of living. And in turn, as christians we need to be open and accepting enough to truly listen to those who have different views. And do that without having the underlying intention of later on trying to convince them their way is wrong.
Believe it or not, God loves each and every one of us. If we believe or not, if we accept by faith or do not accept due to lack of proof, God still loves us. Those of us who are His followers are to show the same love to everyone we meet along the way.
About the size of a grain of mustard seed
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How much faith do you really have
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Thanks for the comment and info. Praying for God’s comfort during this time. Glad you are having a time of positive growth during this time.
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Thank you. Sorry if I misinterpreted you. I have had so much revelation since his death I can’t even begin to tell you how much God is growing me now. But to answer to this situation, a friend in Christ gave me a book called The Bait of Satan: Living Free From the Deadly Trap of Offense. This is timely because in my walk with Christ, offense and defensiveness have been the “old man” part of me that has been hardest to relinquish. It was my false protection for 50 years, and my father resided in that place up until my last conversations with him. I am praying, as are several people in Christ right now, that God stopped time to give my dad time to meet Jesus in his last milliseconds after pulling the trigger. With God all things are possible, and as in James 3:8-10 if we don’t pray for people we are mistakenly thinking ourselves better and worthier. The only thing we should pray is that everyone, whether they are an ISIS terrorist or a baby killer or a transgender person or a next door neighbor who is argumentative and thoughtless, meet Jesus, no matter when, no matter how. Remember John’s reaction in Revelation: if you meet the Lamb, down you go: bam. AS a dead man. You just can’t help it. : ) Love to you, my dear brother in Christ, and thanks for all your precious words.
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Just to be clear, I did not say you didn’t know what was going on. Sorry if it sounded that way. I was referring to all the followers of your blog who didn’t pick up on it and offer you support. You did all you could and you were right in telling him about God’s love even though he didn’t want to hear it.
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I caught what you said about me not knowing what was going on in his life, but truly I was witnessing to him even though he forbid me to say the word “God.” So, yes, he lived far away and I couldn’t read his face or see “signs” of suicide and yet I was given foreboding dreams by God that told me something possibly bad would happen and to prepare. My father has free will and that is sovereign even though God could obliterate it and destroy us all if He wanted. But He is a merciful God. I felt that I was doing as God told me when it came to my father, which is speaking to him of God’s mercy and love for him. If it didn’t take, God will tell me why someday if not soon. Blessings to you DWR.
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That is very true, and very sad. Blogging is only one way of communication and a very small way. Personal friendship with people, and I like small informal ways of getting together, is a better way to get to know one another and care for one another. Sad thing is, even in organized churches, no real fellowship really happens. The sad fact in your case being you had so many reading your blog yet didn’t pick up on what was going on in your fathers life. I know online and blogging is only a small part of expressing our faith and fellowship. Personally taking interest in others lives and getting involved is a much more important thing to do. Sad thing is there are more people blogging and sitting in organized meetings rather than getting to truly know their neighbor.
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My dad committed suicide on Saturday. Despite blogging about it, and having over 200 supposed “followers,” I got little support and only that from personally writing TO a couple bloggers who are so heavily into their goodness as followers of Christ. I find it interesting that so many believing bloggers love to blog about their doctrine or lack of it, but not really read other’s blogs or support others in their time of need. I think I am now convinced that blogging is not the way the born again ekklesia will meet or even grow in number. If we can’t support each other in these times of real need, what’s the point? Maybe WordPress is just another Facebook, and these blogs are looking more and more like very long FB statuses.
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I’m with you, I wish more Christians felt that way too.
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“Whether male or female, black or white, gay, straight, LGBT or asexual, if an atheist, christian, jew, muslim or whatever, we are all people who deserve to be loved and accepted.”
“Is it wrong to talk to people and tell them what we believe and why we have faith in God? No, it is not….as long as they want to know.”
“But we are not to go out and force our views on others trying to convert them to our way of living. And in turn, as christians we need to be open and accepting enough to truly listen to those who have different views.”
I so wish more Christians thought this way. I’ve written more than one post on my blog lamenting how many people do the opposite of this. People who expect me to listen when they talk about god, but don’t want to listen to me when I talk about atheism. Street preachers who tell me that I am going to hell, while I am trying to mind my own business. Christian terrorists who attack Planned Parenthood clinics. Christian parents who throw their LGBT children out into the streets. My former roommate who used to play her Christian music really loud with her door open, and leave Christian pamphlets and books by my bedroom door, who quoted Bible verses at me and told me god loved me “just the way [I] am” because she didn’t want to accept that I am trans.
I’m so used to this stuff, that I was actually quite surprised when one Christian proselytizer actually offered to read a book of my choice about atheism, if I read a book she recommended that argued against atheism. She gave me her email, but, unfortunately, she never responded when I emailed her, so we never went through with the whole thing. I was actually pretty disappointed.
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Thank you very much for the nice and encouraging comment. I sure do appreciate it.
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You have done a good job addressing a number of issues here. I agree with you that we are not dependent on a minister (or ministers) to tell us what is true or what we must believe. We must remember that Jesus is Lord and the pastor is not.
The fixation on pastoral leadership and authority can certainly accomodate motives of power and greed, but I agree with you that most pastors teach what they do from genuine conviction.
I also like your insistence that our task is to love people and not to try to ‘persuade’ people to believe this or that, or even for them to accept Jesus. Instead, we should be available for sharing healing, acceptance–and the good news of Jesus when they are ready for it.
Good job!
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